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 BeitragVerfasst am: Mo Jan 27, 2020 13:55    Titel: 144Hz = stuttering after ~1 hour Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

Shit, my sausage fingers have deceived me, I meant to say there’s NO sign of the stutter returning as in it’s still completely fixed in the latest Beta.
I apologise for the confusion on behalf of sausage fingers all over the world.

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 BeitragVerfasst am: Mo Jan 27, 2020 17:53    Titel: 144Hz = stuttering after ~1 hour Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

guys have anyone stuttering with 756 version and 75hz monitor? vsync is active, 75 fps, but It seems there is little bit this stuttering, comparison with 748 version. I don't know why. I just tried these two versions (748 x 756) and 748 looks OK and smoother, but in 756 there is quite often (lets say every third corner) little bit stuttering immidietaly after start SS. No one hour playing etc.
It is ALMOST imperceptible, but it is there.

So I just want to ask, has someone same problem with ver.756 / 75hz / vsync on?
 
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 BeitragVerfasst am: Mo Jan 27, 2020 19:23    Titel: 144Hz = stuttering after ~1 hour Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

wrcPuncture hat folgendes geschrieben:
guys have anyone stuttering with 756 version and 75hz monitor? vsync is active, 75 fps, but It seems there is little bit this stuttering, comparison with 748 version. I don't know why. I just tried these two versions (748 x 756) and 748 looks OK and smoother, but in 756 there is quite often (lets say every third corner) little bit stuttering immidietaly after start SS. No one hour playing etc.
It is ALMOST imperceptible, but it is there.

So I just want to ask, has someone same problem with ver.756 / 75hz / vsync on?


Yes, everything that you described. True, the monitor is 144 hz. On version 6.2, everything is smooth!
 
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 BeitragVerfasst am: Mo Jan 27, 2020 19:27    Titel: 144Hz = stuttering after ~1 hour Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

That's funny, guys.

Pick one, 748 or 756, ... wink

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 BeitragVerfasst am: Mo Jan 27, 2020 19:39    Titel: 144Hz = stuttering after ~1 hour Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

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That's funny, guys.

Pick one, 748 or 756, ... wink


then it's simple - 756 all the time biggrin
I just wanted to know if someone have similar "problem" with 75hz monitor. As I said, it is almost imperceptible, I thought it is pc problem, and to be honest, I'm not sure if it isn't.. So firstly I will try some tips-tricks and we will see..
 
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 BeitragVerfasst am: Mo Jan 27, 2020 19:50    Titel: 144Hz = stuttering after ~1 hour Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

wrcPuncture hat folgendes geschrieben:
As I said, it is almost imperceptible, I thought it is pc problem, and to be honest, I'm not sure if it isn't.. So firstly I will try some tips-tricks and we will see..


Almost imperceptibly, but there is no former smoothness, as on NGP 6.2. I did not test version 748, I don’t know how it is, but 756 is worse in terms of smooth picture.
If you find a reason, tell me. There may really be a problem in the settings.
 
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 BeitragVerfasst am: Mo Jan 27, 2020 19:54    Titel: 144Hz = stuttering after ~1 hour Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

I mean 6.2.748, the version used on cz plugin now (hope I'm not wrong)
 
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 BeitragVerfasst am: Mo Jan 27, 2020 20:19    Titel: 144Hz = stuttering after ~1 hour Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

wrcPuncture hat folgendes geschrieben:
I mean 6.2.748


On this version smoothly
 
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 BeitragVerfasst am: Mo Jan 27, 2020 21:00    Titel: 144Hz = stuttering after ~1 hour Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

Do you have vsync enabled? Can you try fullscreen=true (RichardBurnsRally.ini) whether it changes anything in this regard?
Another idea - do you have adaptive FFB enabled? Theoretically this feature can be more demanding after the physics rate has been increased... so it could cause lower framerate ? @Bee?

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 BeitragVerfasst am: Mo Jan 27, 2020 22:35    Titel: 144Hz = stuttering after ~1 hour Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

I turned off some features in my AMD control panel like: antilag, sharpening etc..dont care much about that. biggrin
I turned off adaptive FFB.
And seems it helps and it feels smooth as previous versions.. I will test it more later

so if anyone have these kind of problems:
1) turn off some features in graphic control panel
2) try turn off adaptive FFB
 
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 BeitragVerfasst am: Mo Jan 27, 2020 22:47    Titel: 144Hz = stuttering after ~1 hour Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

I would recommend you not turning off antilag or sharpening.

Antilag reduces input lag and sharpening doesn't cost to much perfomance but in my opinion you can see quite a big difference in RBR Quality.

Have'nt tryed adaptive ffb for a while but it had quite a big impact on the performance so i turned it of after some time...

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 BeitragVerfasst am: Mo Jan 27, 2020 22:51    Titel: 144Hz = stuttering after ~1 hour Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

jendabek hat folgendes geschrieben:
Do you have vsync enabled? Can you try fullscreen=true (RichardBurnsRally.ini) whether it changes anything in this regard?
Another idea - do you have adaptive FFB enabled? Theoretically this feature can be more demanding after the physics rate has been increased... so it could cause lower framerate ? @Bee?


[Settings]
fullscreenWindow=1
fixAspectRatio=1
fixVSync=1
vSyncActive=1
headGasketDurability=1
centerMenu=1
processor=0
adaptiveFFB=0
ffbBufferCycles=1
ffbDeadZone=0
ffbDeadZoneThreshold=0
ffbMinFPS=58
soundRefreshRate=60

rbr.ini

Fullscreen = true
 
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 BeitragVerfasst am: Di Jan 28, 2020 00:05    Titel: 144Hz = stuttering after ~1 hour Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

756 is definitely an improvement and seems to be a hit with almost everybody which is an almost impossible feat with RBR 😂
Hoping to see it released ASAP 👍👍👍

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 BeitragVerfasst am: Di Jan 28, 2020 06:24    Titel: 144Hz = stuttering after ~1 hour Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

Indeed adaptive FFB eats up all available processor time within the limits of the monitor refresh rate.

It is calibrated right before the stage in the countdown phase, you will notice a steady increase of FPS, up to the stable value.
It was designed for 60Hz monitors, where it made kind of sense.

But at 144Hz it is useless, as the FFB is already refreshed at the maximum possible rate (in our case, 150Hz).

Another lucky shot I could think of is to slightly increase the physics update rate to 153Hz or so, as 150 happens to be exactly double 75.
Just a guess ...

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 BeitragVerfasst am: Di Jan 28, 2020 09:47    Titel: 144Hz = stuttering after ~1 hour Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

Maybe it could be the physics rate vs monitor rate. But I don't know much about it, so I'm just guessing
 
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 BeitragVerfasst am: Di Jan 28, 2020 10:41    Titel: 144Hz = stuttering after ~1 hour Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

I wonder how to optimally set the game. Theoretically, you should set vsync = 0 both in the game and in the invidia panel, for the smallest input lag, which is very important in this type of game. But then we have a picture tear.

The best option seems to be to use nvidia fastsync, which provides almost zero input lag and a smooth picture. Then we also need to set vsync = 0 in the fixup.

Of course, as WorkerBee mentioned adaptiveffb = 0 for 144HZ monitors.

What do you think? how do you set graphic options
 
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 BeitragVerfasst am: Di Jan 28, 2020 12:15    Titel: 144Hz = stuttering after ~1 hour Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

So, I tried over and over again, my result is the following and I have no problem with Stuttering and no Tearing.
Monitor AOC 1920x1080 144hz Fast Sync enabled and connected in DVI port.
NGP version 6.2.748.416
[Settings FixUp]
fullscreenWindow=1
fixAspectRatio=1
fixVSync=1
vSyncActive=1
headGasketDurability=1
centerMenu=1
processor=0
adaptiveFFB=0
ffbBufferCycles=0
ffbDeadZone=0
ffbDeadZoneThreshold=0
ffbMinFPS=58
soundRefreshRate=60


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 BeitragVerfasst am: Di Jan 28, 2020 12:57    Titel: 144Hz = stuttering after ~1 hour Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

adrianklimas hat folgendes geschrieben:
I wonder how to optimally set the game. Theoretically, you should set vsync = 0 both in the game and in the invidia panel, for the smallest input lag, which is very important in this type of game. But then we have a picture tear.

The best option seems to be to use nvidia fastsync, which provides almost zero input lag and a smooth picture. Then we also need to set vsync = 0 in the fixup.

Of course, as WorkerBee mentioned adaptiveffb = 0 for 144HZ monitors.

What do you think? how do you set graphic options


You can use the newest nvidia driver to limit the fps and lock to 141fps for 144hz screen.

The settings without vsync are correct, which i don't know is this setting in FixUp when vsync is disbaled:

fixVSync = 0 or 1

I don't know if this is usefull to 1 if vsync is not enabled.

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 BeitragVerfasst am: Di Jan 28, 2020 13:50    Titel: 144Hz = stuttering after ~1 hour Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

NGP version 6.2.748.416 Test Stuttering 144hz

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 BeitragVerfasst am: Di Jan 28, 2020 16:15    Titel: 144Hz = stuttering after ~1 hour Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

I can confirm a not so smooth feeling at 144hz. It is not really a difference if i set Vsync on in Nvidia settings or off.

Definitly worth to read:

https://www.blurbusters.com/gsync/gsync101-input-lag-tests-and-settings/14/

In my opinion the little stuttering is even more with Vsync active in Nvidia settings then without.

The physics itself are really nice to drive now with the latest build.

FixUp:

[Settings]
fullscreenWindow=1
fixAspectRatio=1
fixVSync=0
vSyncActive=0
headGasketDurability=10
centerMenu=1
processor=0
adaptiveFFB=0
ffbBufferCycles=3
ffbDeadZone=0
ffbDeadZoneThreshold=0
ffbMinFPS=58
soundRefreshRate=60

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 BeitragVerfasst am: Di Jan 28, 2020 16:15    Titel: 144Hz = stuttering after ~1 hour Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

So, for AlDrive and wrcPuncture (and all others too) another version to test.

No, physics have not changed. I am not a masochist. wink

NGP 6.3.757.430

I have slightly increased the physics update rate to 153 Hz (before: 150).
So maybe we can get rid of the 75 Hz stutter.

This is just a long shot, so there is absolutely no guarantee that this helps anyway.
For the 60 Hz and 144 Hz users the additional 3 Hz shouldn't do any harm.

Never mind, I have already indicated Vaclav not to publish the current 6.3.

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 BeitragVerfasst am: Di Jan 28, 2020 17:10    Titel: 144Hz = stuttering after ~1 hour Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

I got an info Vaclav is going to publish it 2020-02-05 because two major championships event are about to start these days and he doesn't want to make any changes before they finish.
So you still have some time for an additional tweaks.

The problem is that one of the rallies consists of 15 stages in 1 leg which will provide some nice epileptic experience for us with 144Hz. eek

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 BeitragVerfasst am: Di Jan 28, 2020 18:16    Titel: 144Hz = stuttering after ~1 hour Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

So VRC is not a big championship : /
 
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 BeitragVerfasst am: Di Jan 28, 2020 18:31    Titel: 144Hz = stuttering after ~1 hour Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

i have 144HZ (165Hz) Gaming Monitor, all settings working on 144Hz

for me the option vSyncActive=1 in fixup.ini produce a "slideshow". Nvidia settings dosn´t matter. it is similar than you play a game with around 40FPS

vSyncActive=1 (whatever i set on my driver): Slideshow, but better FFB; FPS ingame is arround 112FPS
vSyncActive=0 and Vsync off (Nvidia): aprox 820FPS ingame, smoth gaming, no issues with video perforrmance. FFB feels more weak (than first) like there is something like a bungee rope between steering wheel and car reaction (not that heavy, but you feel the difference). it is alittle bit less than with vssync on.
vSyncActive=0 and Vsync on (Nvidia): Video performance same as last, FFB same as first.
Vsync fast (Nvidia): black screen ingame but music is running and i can switch the options in the menue (hear the button sounds).


i test some other options, but they allways have no big effect (dont know if there was any eeffect.....)

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 BeitragVerfasst am: Di Jan 28, 2020 18:53    Titel: 144Hz = stuttering after ~1 hour Antworten mit Zitat Back to top

Thank you guys, there is an endless number of combinations to get it wrong or right, whatever that means.

I am especially interested in the supposedly stutter on 75 Hz displays.
Whether this is more or less gone with the rev. 757, or not.
In rev. 756, the physics rate is accidentially a multiple of the monitor rate. Might make a difference, or maybe not.

But beware, not every stutter or frame drop is related to the game.

Sometimes the operating system, the video driver or the harddisk make some nasty things and you drop a few frames.
I don't want to hunt a ghost ... wink

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